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July 21st, 2017

July 21st, 2017 published on 76 Comments on July 21st, 2017

Sudden and unexpected Voss sympathiser Ben Thackerey

Psst, if you’re in the UK, check your local Waitrose or WH Smith for the newest issue of the awesome kids’ comic, The Phoenix, because it’s got a strip in there what I have drawn- Claire, Justice Ninja: Ninja of JUSTICE! There’s Claire stories in the next two issues too! She’s even on this week’s cover! Aaa!

  • Sir_Krackalot

    Gotta agree with Ben here.

  • Nightsbridge

    oh my god, Ben’s sister is going to have to break out of the mirror too . . .

    • Heylir

      Yeah, I was looking forward to this for a while. In a good sense, really. :)

    • Tikatu

      Cousin. Verity is Ben’s cousin.

      I can think of one thing she could admit: that Harry is a better hunter than she it!

      • Nightsbridge

        Oooof, I should have checked.

        • non_canon

          I keep making the same mistake in my head and having to correct myself.

      • Emily

        My money’s on Verity confessing that she’s jealous of Sid for succeeding as Harry’s partner where she failed. He guessed it back at the hotel, but she hasn’t admitted it in so many words.

        It would be narratively satisfying if Vee escaping from her mirror was the final blow that weakened Pride enough to be desummoned, especially since, for a lot of reasons, it’s likely to be extra hard to get her out…

    • Holycowfin

      Verity might be in actual problem here.
      She might actually consider staying in mirror rather than confess anything in front of Sid.

  • Ghostdanser

    Just a little thought, but when a mirror/glass shatters it looks like a room behind the pane…but since they are flat walls then I wonder where the empty space comes from…magic is giving me a Yosemite Sam moment…to quote, “Ahm a thinkin’…and my head hurts!”

    • Wyvern

      Maybe it’s an extradimensional pocket space. Like a portable hole in D&D.

      • #092f0a

        I wonder if the university can keep them as broom-closets or something like that.

        Edit: Also, what is this going to look like for the person who was trapped in the window near the entrance?

        • Wyvern

          I would imagine the pocket planes will collapse when their occupants leave.

          On a different note, it’s just occurred to me to wonder why the university has so many mirrors hanging on its walls. I suppose it’s reasonable to assume Pride put them there, though. It’s just the sort of thing It would do.

          • Heylir

            Yeah, and I wonder if it’ll bring a mirror to Mal and Harry.

    • Tikatu

      Pocket universe? Like the one Hotel Gula inhabited in Piece of Cake?

  • No feelings of guilt or shame for fooling around with another man’s wife Herr Wolfe?

    • pingo1387

      That was *one time!*

      • Jeff Eppenbach

        With her, that is.

      • Sure? His reaction when he found out that Mrs de Montfort wasn’t the pregnant sister makes me think he’s been seeing her a bit more often.

        • pingo1387

          When…? Things got pretty serious right after the Wrath malform was released. I doubt Florrie could be seeing anyone but her husband (?) with all the preparation for a secret family meeting.

          • AJ

            Has anyone EVER seen her husband? How do we know she’s seeing him?

            • pingo1387

              That’s why the question mark was there P: Her spouse is a bit of a mystery; we’ve never seen him, we don’t know what he does for a living (never seen Florrie working so I can only assume her husband has a job), and no one ever brings him up, IIRC.

              • Michael Brewer

                I always figured that Mr. DeMontfort has a title and stuff, but I guess it could just be a lot of money. Honestly, by this point he pretty much has to be either the “Duke of Kent,” someone else really suspicious (that we’ve maybe met already), or he’s the biggest red herring ever.

                • pingo1387

                  Oh man, if Florrie’s husband was actually Lust in disguise… not even in disguise, if he didn’t meet her grandparents, since no one besides them knew what Lust looked like.

                  • CountSessine

                    Your first thought was right. He would have to have been in disguise. There’s no way Luxuria would have tried to marry into the Barber family using a face Florrie’s grandparents could recognize. Too great a chance of discovery! If nothing else, they’d have been very, very likely to attend the wedding.

                    • Heylir

                      I really wonder if Deadly Sins can conceal that “wrongness”, “a sort of pull”, Henry felt from Luxuria at their first meeting and may recognise later. Well, I think it was a sign of Lux’s attempt to influence Henry and it can check it.

            • Sir. Orc

              I suspect he may in fact be Lust.
              1. Lust would have the perfect motivation; he knows the deadlies can’t get free unless of Isabelle’s lineage is nearby, what better way to keep track of the family than to marry into it.
              2. It would explain his absences; he’d be trying to pull strings to get things lined up perfectly for the Deadly’s to be released, and he wouldn’t want to be near Isabella or Henry too often least they recognize him, and paying attention to his wife would run against his nature.
              3. It would explain how Envy and Voss knew to invite Florrie to the party in order to have the bloodline present
              4. It would explain both the wealth Florrie has; Lust is clearly a man of means, and why she would be comfortable marrying for money; since Lust can play to whatever his target desires.
              5. One of the traditional aspects of Lust is an obsession with Luxury (hence the name Luxuria), something Lust himself demonstrates a lot (he’s introduced in the finest hotel, always hides among nobility, is always wearing fine clothing) and so it would make sense that he could provide Florrie with both wealth and comfort.
              Edit: 6. Also, it would tie up a lot of things regarding both Lust and Mr. DuMontefort fairly neatly (by the way, what is the social protocol if you accidentally married the spiritual incarnation of a deadly sin anyway?) without going into the squickier parts of Lust.

              • CountSessine

                That is a very clever theory. It explains a great deal that is now mysterious. Whether it turns out to be true or not, applause to you for putting it together!

              • Heylir

                About 3: No, Envy ordered Voss to make research about Barbers ( http://www.widdershinscomic.com/wdshn/june-23rd-2014/ ), and he did ( http://www.widdershinscomic.com/wdshn/july-28th-2014-kickstarter-now-live/ ), all these papers one of which Nicola found later. And I think if Envy got information from Lux, it wouldn’t so strongly reacted at Nicola telling her surname.

                • Sir. Orc

                  True. The articles in question were about Harry, whose the most famous, but it’s possible Voss found out about Florrie through other sources. It’s still possible though that Envy simply didn’t know Lust was around when it insisted that Voss do the research, and latter encountered him and found out about Florrie that way. Especially since it was the one that demanded Voss invite Nicola, even though Voss somehow found out Florrie was also a Barber. But yeah, it’s not the strongest link in my little conspiracy theory.

              • AJ

                I’ve been expecting DeMontfort to be unrelated to the Deadlies, in a lovely case of threads hanging for another story arc. I’m also half-expecting him to be an ogre, too. I hope you’re right and I’m wrong, though!

              • Rachel McGonagill

                I’ve been wondering the same thing, for pretty much the same reasons, for a little while now. It’ll be interesting to see Mr. DuMontefort, eventually, one way or another.

                • Sir. Orc

                  Hmmm, perhaps it is all a red herring so that we do not catch on to the real identity of Mr. DuMontefort: The Purple Hippo of Happiness!

                  • Rachel McGonagill

                    *snerk*

      • As far as anyone can prove, anyway

    • Sir. Orc

      Not to mention said fooling around happened while he was *supposed* to be looking for his old army… associate who was at the time cavorting with and aiding a Deadly. Though perhaps this was just the first thing to come to mind?

      • Heylir

        I wonder if Wolfe has some sort of talent (serendipity?) that makes him do necessary things without knowing it. I mean, Florrie *was* the Barber girl who Voss had to fetch, so his flirting did the help his task. And Wolfe did bring the Witch of Widdershins to the Widdershins, with some obscure reasoning about the fate.

  • non_canon

    I’m really actually glad this is what Wolfe chooses to confess, because I’ve been wondering if that was something he might be feeling. Although technically it’s an untruth because Mal will still need him, just not in the same way. He doesn’t need a keeper anymore, which is what Wolfe’s been for the past several years, but he’s still going to need the support and camaraderie that Wolfe provides.

    And that caption has given me an image of Ben and Voss sitting somewhere going on to each other about how they just can’t even with Wolfe’s perfectness and Wolfe just sitting there trying to interject and not being able to.

    And it seems that neither Wolfe nor Verity got to hear anything from the last several pages, although I’m still kinda hoping we get to see their reactions to hearing about it.

    • Heylir

      Well, Ben is still in a self-induced state of self-loathing, so I think it would be hard for Wolfe to miss that.

      The image of Ben and Voss made me laugh. :) It is a good thing, I suppose, that Wolfe’s “perfectness” never put in my way of loving him. :)

      Still, I think, in usual times it’s more like Mal’s “obnoxiousness” to Ben, something you rather like your friend *for* than *in spite of*. :)))

    • Emily

      You can see it in the second and third panels on this page Heylir linked
      to in the last set of comments:
      http://www.widdershinscomic.com/wdshn/september-16th-2016/ Wolfe’s used
      to being the one Mal relies on, both to back him up and to keep him
      stable, and he’s feeling a little adrift.

    • reynard61

      And that caption has given me an image of Ben and Voss sitting somewhere going on to each other about how they just can’t even with Wolfe’s perfectness and Wolfe just sitting there trying to interject and not being able to.

      This is something that *NEEDS* to be drawn!!!

      • non_canon

        It does indeed, although sadly not by me as I can barely draw stick figures.

  • Ahaha, what a genius page. I love Ben’s facial expressions! Even his glasses have moods.

  • Winger

    Aww, Wolfe…

    …at what point did you get the impression Mal only keeps you around because he needs you considering your friendship started with you shooting him in the neck and then needing to be busted out of imprisonment? Bless. Really, the balance they bring to each other has always been the charm of their relationship.

  • That SKREEEE in the last panel. xD

  • That is actually precious kinds of sweet.

  • Heylir

    Now I wonder if Mal thinks that Wolfe doesn’t need him now because Mal doesn’t need Wolfe’s care anymore and, of course, Wolfe has been around Mal all this time only because of his kind heart… or there is at least one sane man among those three. :))) I don’t really mean the last part, though. :)

    And the sight of Sid who is focused on the task and trying to find the solution whereas rambling Ben is distracted by his feelings… is a little unusual one, I would say.

    • MoeLane

      Ben’s tapped out for the moment, so Sid has got to adult it until the rest of the group is rescued.

      • Heylir

        Yeah, it was my way to say that just now I feel sorry for Ben and proud of Sid. :) My feelings about Wolfe are more of the default mode. :)

        • MoeLane

          But of course. :)

      • JWLM

        Yes, and this could be a huge turning point for Sid: he’s always prided himself on getting through as a manic pixie dream girl, used that as an excuse to do things like not study. What are you going to do about that now, Sid?

        …and now I know what my “have you stopped beating your wife?” question for the next question set will be…

        • Ocean Burning.

          Worth reading all the comments just to see Sid described as a manic pixie dream girl XD

  • Euodiachloris

    On the plus-side, Ben is in no danger of falling into accidentally prideful humblebragging with Wolfe back in the land of the ambulatory. ;P

  • Emily

    Awww! I thought Wolfe might confess something about his feelings for Florrie, but this is even better. Don’t worry, Wolfe – even if you’re not constantly together anymore, Mal’s new role will mean he’s even more in need of a friend he can trust and depend on absolutely, someone with whom he can just be Mal and not the Witch of Widdershins.

  • Stephen Riggs

    “Oh Lord, it’s hard to be humble, when you’re perfect in every way. …” Alas, this song is probably unknown in the UK.

  • Wolfe’s still gotta Wolfe. Perfect!

  • Dud

    Rescuing an entire university by practical application of one of the subjects they teach and which act they will perforce have to teach in future MUST be worth at least a couple of honorary doctorates; which will be something to be proud of, making a repeat performance so much harder.

    Make the worst of it Ben. You may never be able to be so humble again.

    • JWLM

      Yeah, and poor Sid: organizing an escape all by himself. How will you claim to be scatterbrained any more. Sounds to like Ben’s not the only one who’s going to have to confront the discrepancy between his self-image and his real achievements.

  • Maria Gerasimova

    “Even perfectly humble… I mean, REALLY.”

    Yesterday I wrote on the previous page about Ben’s pride.
    I think he isn’t at all deprived of it, quite the opposite, just this trait never had an opportunity to develop and grow in him.
    Actually just now he has fed his humility with his pride, if I may say so. That’s why all his words were so painful for this Deadly.
    And I think Ben knows that about himself, he has come to understand it.
    And now he sees Wolfe’s modesty – wholly lacking prideful thoughts.
    This is REALLY humble. I has to agree :)

    • Heylir

      > Actually just now he has fed his humility with his pride, if I may say so.
      > That’s why all his words were so painful for this Deadly.

      There is an interesting analogy with already mentioned Voss. :) Who, in my opinion, was able to break his strings *exactly* because of his long service to Envy that he had renounced. He had to fight his envy, long and hard, whereas Wolfe is totally devoid of it.

      It seems to be a general theme that resisting a Sin is a harder blow to it than being immune to it. Just in itself, I mean, because, of course, “immune ones” can help others to fight it and be an example for them in that. Wolfe did so with Voss, more unknowingly than not, and in Wrath’s part, deliberately.

      And it is one of reasons I wanted so much to see Verity fighting with her pride.

      It’s a good idea about Ben’s words, but I really doubt he is able now to think something right about himself, in this emotional state of his. :/ Though I can believe he got better in the last panel, given his expression.

      (The more I think about it the more I am convinced that, in my perception, Ben in the fourth panel is the most emotionally disturbing sight I see in all Widdershins comics. :/)

  • Sal

    Ben’s facial expressions for the Pride segment have been absolutely amazing.

  • Sarah Hardister

    Oh. I can’t wait to see how Verity gets out of her mirror.

    • Azmodan

      “Flaws? No, I’m perfect, sorry. Wait, I am amazing, so why am I still in this mirror? *activates a gadget to shatter the mirror and get out from her side*”

  • Doldrum

    I’m curious, though, how the people inside the mirrors experience time and the world outside the mirror… I mean, they obviously notice when people try to speak to them (though maybe that’s because Pride’s influence is weakened already), but are they too wrapped up in themselves to notice how long they have been inside?

    • Heylir

      I think they were able to hear/see something from outside only after their mirrors get cracked, and that broke their self-absorption, too.

      Now I wonder if Wolfe hears Ben’s words on this page at all.

      • Doldrum

        I think so, since he seems to reply to Ben’s “He’s perfect”- comment.
        Though if they were unaware of anything that happened outside the mirrors AND couldn’t sense the passage of time, this must have been vary confusing from the wizards’ perspective. “Here I am, looking into a mirror and feeling good about myself, and suddenly there is a small sad man screaming at a peacock and I remembered all of my insecurities”

        • Heylir

          Well, I got the scene in the main hall as that people in cracked mirrors hearing Sidney’s confession about his expulsion understood enough of the situation to join the self-deprecating spree. Or maybe they (the first of them) just felt sympathy for Sidney who was their (co)student once and tried to support him. :)

          > he seems to reply to Ben’s “He’s perfect”- comment.

          Or to Sid’s words about “something embarrassing” (though Ben takes that as Wolfe’s reply to him). I amn’t sure.

  • Nonesuch

    Ben is going to need therapy after this. :( He seems so …. broken.

  • Nonesuch

    Well …. no confirmation yet that Wolfe did something …. naughty with a certain married lady.

  • Emily

    I had a dream the other night where Kate was doing a presentation at my local library, where I work, but I couldn’t go because it was during my shift and I had to be upstairs shelving books. It was very frustrating. (Part of the dream also involved running around the library looking for the person in charge of our graphic novel section, to tell her that there were copies of Find the Lady for sale downstairs and she should buy one for the collection.)

  • Eva Schiffer

    So Wolfe… good news, even if your buddy needs you less, I know someone who definitely needs you more now that he’s not fleeing the country! :)

    • Emily

      Good grief, imagine Mal’s reaction if Wolfe started hanging around with Voss more than with him!

      • Heylir

        Especially for *that* reason.

        I wonder if we get to see Mal’s reaction at Wolfe’s giving his violin to Voss for keeping. :)

      • non_canon

        Or even better, if Voss were to join Team Buggerup. Especially if Wolfe pulled on Mal the same puppy dog eyes he pulled on Ben.

        • Heylir

          I doubt even Wolfe’s puppy dog eyes would work on Captain Barber, though. :)

  • a_flemish_dude

    see this, mr thackery, this thing is exactly why you spend the entire envy “fight” sitting on a bench while the rest of your team was on stage doing cool stuff

    also would somebody please give him a hug?

    • Maria Gerasimova

      I’d like, but…
      How?
      )

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