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  • Dammit, we all got the wrong Francis. Not Drake or Walsingham, but Bacon!

    • I admit to a little smugness when you were all trying to pick between the two.

    • Silly Zealot

      Ah, Sir Francis Bacon. That guy is so not kosher.

  • Darth Fez

    Eeee, she’s putting on the kettle. It’s story time! I call dibs on the comfy chair!

    (Don’t feel too bad, ‘enry. He’s a very lively two-hundred year old dead bloke.)

  • Columbine

    I love the different styles of the illustrations. Particularly I’m fond of the sketchy-style for the Elizabethan picture. But the switching styles is a really deft touch, gives a real sense of changing time and place. Nicely done.

    Edit: It is also nice to see that Henry has the right priorities too. Forget the danger, out-flirted by a dead bloke? THIS SHALL NOT STAND!

  • Bill Bob

    Is that Giordano Bruno haranguing a crowd?

    • RLB

      Savonarola, I think.

      Also, Henry V according to the note, though I’d have suspected a French king or Burgundian Duke without it; Jeanne d’Arc, whose adviser must have received the Heart pretty soon after Henry V died; Jane Grey and (presumably) Dudley; and some sultan, possibly Suleiman the Magnificent from the… magnificent style, or Bayezid II or Selim I from the dates.

      • Bill Bob

        Looks like Mehmed II the Conqueror, according to the facing page.
        The Heart had a pretty busy 15th century, by the look of things!

        • impishacid

          they’re talking about the one immediately down & right of Mehmed II

        • RLB

          Yes – I had the order wrong, I think I was looking for a sultan to come after Savonarola.
          And I suspect this is just the 15th century section of several centuries’ worth of wearers – it’s not as if lying, and the Famous Seven, went out of fashion ever before the 15th century or since…

  • Now let’s not make any hasty assumptions here. How do we know for sure that this isn’t just the same sort of thing as that photo from the Civil War of a guy who kinda looks like Nicholas Cage?

  • awhorl

    Tons of fun. We’uns do actually trace jewels through portraits, ya know. And what jewels were taken from whom and were worn when can make a bit of a statement.

  • CyberSkull

    Much easier to make out the Liar’s Heart in the bigger one.

  • svartalf

    It might’ve been rough, but it really did come out well, Kate.

    She’s not quite up to speed, he’s already twigging on to just how DANGEROUS this really has become.

    • kuku

      I don’t know – he’s pre-occupied by being out-flirted by the dead guy, and she’s thrilled that her research is coming together. She looked plenty aware of the danger a couple of pages ago, but that doesn’t overpower everything else. They’re both far more genuinely charming than Luxuria could ever hope to be.

  • lukeferrous

    I may be reading too much into this, but it occurs to me that Joan of Arc there bears something of a resemblance to Ms. Superbia…who we already know is French.

    • Lewis

      Actually I pegged Luxuria as the individual with Lady Jane, something about how they hold their head. Guessing the amulet has something to do with the deadly’s human manifestations so from left to right Envy, Wrath with a fake moustache, Avarice, Sloth, then Pride.

      • Lewis

        Bugger, meant Superbia as the individual with Lady Jane, didn’t get much sleep last night.

      • lukeferrous

        There’s a thought. Certainly person-with-Jane has a confident (smug) enough expression to be Superbia. I was going with the other sins as the historical figures, myself. The only one I can’t place is Acedia, but then that makes sense that Sloth might not be represented by strong ideals and the drive to achieve.

  • Frankie D.

    It’s a magic tomato?

    • Sanjay Merchant

      An EVIL magic tomato!

      • Corsenna

        so… Bob’s evil twin?

    • WaytoomanyUIDs

      Some did consider the tomato the Forbidden Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge, but them people also said that about potatoes and probably every fruit and veg from the New World .

  • Iituem

    Huh. That would explain why Luxuria’s still hopping around in the same body…

  • Sanjay Merchant

    Hmmm… Has the Liar’s Heart always been connected to Lust? Or has it been used variously by the Deadlies? I guess it’s because Jeanne d’Arc sticks out as being not someone I would imagine would be easiliy swayed by Lust. Pride, perhaps.

    Also, the person with Henry V appears to be a woman and if that’s Lust, why was it using a different body then, but using the same one in 1790-something as it was in 1599?

    • Lust does not apply exclusively to sexuality (bloodlust, for example). A sufficiently extreme desire for anything could be described as a lust. So an intelligent personification of Lust could manipulate anyone with a strong desire for anything, as long as they could identify and magnify that desire. Sex is just the most obvious and easiest to manipulate.

      • Sanjay Merchant

        True, but at that point, the lines between the Deadlies get blurred: Gluttony could be described as Lust for food; Envy as Lust for what other people have; Lust as Greed for sex; Lust as Pride in one’s sexual prowess. The way things have been written so far, Kate has stuck to the more conventional understandings of each Vice (eg Greed is specifically concerned with monetary wealth, Gluttony with food, etc.), if she chooses to depart from that, it’s fine by me, but until then, I’m going to assume that Lust is specifically concerned with sex.

        • Ah, but in Henry’s conversation with Mr. Luxuria he was trying to tempt Henry by appealing to a lust for wealth and power. So while Lust’s primary concern may be sex, it is not its exclusive concern.
          It may be that Lust is the “chief” sin, that the other sins are derivations of Lust (except Wrath, unless we’re talking bloodlust or a reaction to thwarted desire). Thus, Lust could easily be more versatile than the others and overlap with their areas of influence.

          • JWLM

            Hmm. No, at least not historically. The root of all sin is pride, not lust.

            • RLB

              Ahem… Radix Malorum est *Cupiditas* – not Superbia _or_ Luxuria.

              (The idea of all sin stemming from Pride is post-Biblical, either Dante or Milton, maybe both.)

          • Sanjay Merchant

            Given which comments Kate’s upvoted, I’m guessing you’re right. :-P

            Still leaves me confused as to why Luxuria’s dressed as a woman in that one picture. If it can switch bodies, why bother to screw the-artist-formerly-known-as-the-Duke-of-Kent’s head back on instead of just getting a new one? And if not, it seems a bit risky to have male physiology and present as a woman in the court of Henry V.

            EDIT: If only there were someone weaving a narrative around these characters who might eventually shed some light on such questions. ;-)

            • We don’t know any details of the body switching: it might be difficult so that Lust doesn’t want to bother if it doesn’t have to, or it may just really like the Duke’s body and decided to keep it rather than switch. There also might be something special about the Duke’s body, yet to be revealed, that Lust needs.

              Lust may also identify as male: out of all the pics in the big panel, there appear to be 4 appearances as male (really can’t say if they’re all supposed to be the same body due to the different periods and styles) and only 1 female.

              • Sanjay Merchant

                If Henry V’s companion was burned at the stake, that might be cause enough to find a new body. Given when Henry V died (1422) and when WIkipedia says witch burnings started (approximately 1450), she would’ve been one of the first.

    • awhorl

      If the amulet has gotten away from Luxuria’s grasp at the time Henry was asked to get it back, it might have slipped away in the past. And it may not appeal to the primarily altruistic mind–hence the whispering or smirking advisers in the background. The achievers aren’t wearing it–they appear to be cat’s paws of the wearers, who are in the game for something else . . . influence? wealth? the ability to manipulate people? the um harem? the love of inciting war on a huge scale?

      • Sanjay Merchant

        To paraphrase Londo Mollari: they prefer to remain behind the scenes: the rewards are nearly as great, and the risk far, far less.

    • Phlebas

      The lady next to Henry V is dressed in green, so I’d guess Invidia.
      And Jeanne d’Arc’s red banner suggests Ira, appropriate for her fierce warrior spirit.
      Green, brown and gold for Lady Jane Grey – Gula or Avaritia, perhaps?

      • Sanjay Merchant

        The woman with Henry V might be Invidia, but in this incarnation, Wrath is a woman, so Jeanne d’Arc’s companion having a moustache brings us back to the same gender-flipping problem we have with Henry V’s companion if we assume they’re all Lust. And reading Lady Grey’s companion as Gluttony or Greed has similar problem, in that they’re brown- and black-haired in these incarnations, respectively, while the person pictured with Grey is blond.

        • Phlebas

          I wasn’t assuming they were the same avatars – the colour schemes may be more primal than that, I think. Given the historical figures involved, some array of assorted Deadlies makes more sense to me than them all being Lust (unless as suggested above Lust is defined so loosely as pretty much to include all the others in its portfolio, in which case why have a stylised group of seven at all?)

  • May need to put the kettle on, eh?

    “A two-pipe problem, I fancy, Watson.”

  • Darkoneko Hellsing

    Henry’s totally hot for Luxuria~

  • Ganurath

    So the amulet that’s drawn to those with ambition and a need to prove something has come to be possessed by Isabelle Holt. Sounds like someone REALLY wants to be respected.

    • kuku

      So far she’s just researching it, as far as we know. We do eventually see Syd accidentally steal it from Henry, so Henry and Isabelle end up with it eventually, but maybe they’re trying to have it in safe-keeping?

  • Sanjay Merchant

    Here’s a thought: with the exception of the Sultan (Caliph? Emperor?) there, these are all European. At first I thought it odd that the Deadlies would be focused so exclusively on the West, but then it occurred to me: they’re CREATIONS of the West! Other regions (eg East Asia, the Americas, southern Africa) had different conceptions of how humanity’s less desirable impulses were organized and manifested, so it only makes sense that the Deadlies, as we see them, were born of European history and culture.

    (Granted, that makes our turbaned friend there a bit of an odd man out, but it still sorta holds.)

    • szbnahl

      Maybe he was converted by a Christian missionary. Or maybe he’s descended from the original middle-eastern Christians.

      • RLB

        Not if he’s Mehmed II – he was very definitely Muslim. But there was a lot of contact between Europe and the Middle East in those times, much more than between Europe and anywhere else. And while I don’t think Islam has the same organisation of sins as Christianity (or, more specifically, Catholic Christianity – the Seven Deadly Sins aren’t nearly as much referred to in Protestantism, at least not as a schema), Islam and Christianity do share a considerable amount of background.

        • Columbine

          Lust is definitely a major sin is Islam. Far as I know sins arn’t categorised the same way but many of the same….things? emotions? motives? Are sinful.

      • Sanjay Merchant

        Well, we have seen that, now that they exist as such, the Deadlies do have a fair bit of autonomy, so maybe it was an attempt to expand their influence?

    • Columbine

      Thank you. I’m gonna be thinking about the implications this magic would have for Voodoo for the rest of the day now.

    • deebles

      The scholar is also European, and might be able to better research historical figures from the West than figures in other regions. Nothing to say this couldn’t be international. Although the seven deadlies are, of course, based on real world Christian doctrine…

      • Sanjay Merchant

        True, that did occur to me after I wrote my initial comment.

  • Silly Zealot

    Do politicians use the heart of liars for its powers, or is the heart of liars called so because politicians use it?

    • I reckon it’s neither. The Heart of Liars naturally gravitates towards power and those who lust for it, and politicians just always seem to be there when it arrives

      • RLB

        I reckon it’s both! You have to be a consummate liar to be a succesful politician in the first place, Heart or no.

        • No, you don’t understand. Politicians don’t use the Heart of Liars. It uses them.

          • RLB

            Oh, I think it’s a mutually beneficial arrangement. A bit like the BLiar and Mandy.

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  • awhorl

    Oh oh oh look at the dates–I’m guessing that the necklace is heading toward Napoleon next. NAPOLEON!

    There’s been forshadowing. Isabel was wearing wellies.

    Also, the necklace has been in the hands of advisers. Our Henry V has his mind on Many Things, as does Jeanne–the amulet is consuming the person in the background who is whispering just one of the voices that the Prominent One is hearing. Aaand the achievements of the driven ones are not all viewed with the same admiration everywhere–I was interested to read the summary of the events at Agincourt provided by the official website at the national park at that location. Different spin.

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